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First Set

Second Set

  • Alabama Getaway
  • Hard to Handle
  • Tennessee Jed
  • Me and My Uncle ->
  • Big River
  • Ship of Fools
  • Me and Bobby McGee
  • Help on the Way->
  • Slipknot!
  • Estimated Prophet->
  • Don't Ease Me In
  • Let it Grow
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    • Dancin' in the Streets
    • It Must Have Been the Roses
    • I Need a Miracle->
    • Black Peter
    • Johnny B. Goode
    • Knockin' on Heaven's Door

     

    Notes:

    • The theme of the night occurred when Larry M. stated to Kevie that he was cut off and he unplugged Kevie for the rear eight speakers. A bold move, and Kevie was a true mench about it and gave it a try. His words were something like, "Just so you can't say I was a dick about it, I'll try it but you won't like it." Fortunately, everyone seemed to like it.
    • It will be real interesting to hear Kevie's interpretation of the move, because it really does clip his wings quite a bit but, a different feel was certainly in the room. It was much more open, nicer, relaxed and not so loud, even though I do have splitting headache as I write this stupid thing at 12:30 in the morning when I have to get up at 7:00. What am I and Idiot? I must be. Ahhhh! In any case, I'm sure Kevie's change in sound is going to be fodder for the wordy.
    • Jonathan showed up for maybe the first two songs and left beneath the breeze, underneath the weather, preparing for the storm that was to hit Cone. That will teach him not to pledge allegiance to Deadstein but to the Yankees. They would understand and would respond to and respect that.
    • Dennis was missing for the room and except for Menaker's Jonathan, a guest wasn't to be found,. Brotman only made it through he first set.

    Remember, we play on Monday next week.

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    First Set:

    • The Getaway and Hard to Handle were rough around the edges but held there own. It wasn't until the Jed where the night turned. It was "sweet." By the trird verse of the Uncle, we kicked the music into high gear. It was crisply played, not so sweet but Uncle/River isn't supposed to be. The transition into the River was just like a Swiss watch and the River sustained itself well. The Ship of Fools and Bobby McGee really accentuated the sweetness of the evening. Kevie thought we would be in trouble during a Help on the Way with him only coming out of 7 speakers. Kevie played extra quietly, probably with the thought that he'll show us guys, but we showed him. We all quieted down to his level which provided him the same dominance he is used to but with less. It worked out well, a challenge to our own restrain and self-control. Estimated remained in comfortable beat throughout into a very forced Don't Ease Me In. With a Sicilian pie still cooking, we endeavored into an extra Let it Grow. It worked and had a very interesting ending to close the set on a spacey theme.

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    Second Set:

    • Dancin' in the Streets was really nice, not powerful but very welled played. Gindoff did his impression of Bruce Kosslett, of the Jets, in orchestrating Deadstein's coming back into the chorus to end the song. Must Have been the Roses was beautiful, Brent better have liked it. The next three songs were not recorded unfortunately. The Miracle, from a dead start, brought Deadstein up after the Roses and lead us right back down, way down, as we went into the Peter. It got lusciously sweet during it, playing a Black Peter the way it is supposed to be with care and compassion. The Johnny B. Goode was a great closer because it reminded you of the opener as you were playing it. tying the evening into a complete bow. With time to spare, a very mellow Knockin' on Heaven's Door was indicative of the music played for the evening. Although quiet and contained, the music was not boring.

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    Comments Submitted

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    We've been complaining about Kevin but tonight he showed us he can really give it to us good. Bravo to Kevin! I appreciate what you did. Thanks. LG

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    I left my tapes in the room so I will have to wait til next week to hear what we captured on tape but in the room it was everythimg I'm looking for. Tight, powerful, graceful, and at times delicate. Volume was much more comfortable throughout the evening. I'm sure there will be plenty of discussion but I enjoyed the change sonically Thanks Kevie

    LB

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    You people are truly out of your minds ! What are you talking about? If I hear one more adjective I'm gonna rip up all your collective thesaurus.Sweet,small,quiet---it sounds like an ad for a chinese mail-order-bride. Those are not words associated with a good rock band. Kickin',big,loud---that's rock-n-roll. Your reaction to this whole thing is indicative of how fucked up you people really are, and how mob mentality can induce mass hallucinations and perception. My joy for the drummers' new found peace and space can hardly be contained, I'm so glad you can hear-"Be careful what you wish for".As for the whole issue being put to rest, it's only just begun. Just because ONE of my cabinets has been exiled from the rear of the room, doesn't mean it won't show up on another piece of real estate next week. Long live me ! By the way it's K-E-V-Y. Love, Kevy

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    I think if I could guess at reading Kevin's mind it would say: "Hey everybody, listen carefully....................................... ................................do you hear that ?.......................... ............that is the sound of me NOT turning down. " LG

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    The essence of the whole loud soft thing is that the Grateful Dead wasn't your average rock band . Sure we can crank out JB Goode and A&A with the best of them but that's only only one facet of the many musical styles we are trying to emulate.

    LB

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    Kevy, Your not in a rock'n'roll band. You're in Deadstein, playing in the tradition of the Grateful Dead. News Flash: The GD were not a R'n'R band, however, they did on occasion play R'n'R music. We played big, loud, obnoxious on the rock tunes last night (ie: JBG). Your attitude is harsh this morning after last night's beautiful experience.

    Listen...................................that's the sound of Kevy's new PA setup....................quiet.... THERE'S NOT A CHANCE IN THE FUCKING WORLD THAT YOU LIVE IN, THAT YOU WILL EXPAND FROM YOUR CURRENT SETUP IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. JUST GO AHEAD AND TRY IT.... That's just to show you that I'm a fucking asshole. Get into me. Oh, and once again to smooth things out, congratulations Kevy? LM

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    Larry Menaker your news flash is not news. I am aware of your anatomical condition, As for the threat, it's all just capital letters, where as mine is a promise. Also, you really shouldn't take yourself so seriously, a sense of humor should be the basis for this whole thing. Your usual heart-attack-causing,stressful, obnoxious attitude that you grace the rest of the world with, really doesn't apply to anything in Deadstein ; ( e.g. Me, volume, songs, etc. ) The hyper-critiqueing and responding that has been going on only works when humor is the vehicle. Take a deep breath and relax. Love, Kevy

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    I think Menaker's attack is way too viscious and uncalled for. I think Kevin has been extremely nice about this whole issue and there is no need to bring any anger into this conversation. All we do in Deadstein certainly needs to be done with a sense of humor and without, without malice and most of all with respect for eachother both musically and personally. Once any of us starts getting authoritive we start down a path at least do not want to go down. I'd rather have the loud music, for that certainly was not as unnice as this conversation. LG. PS. sorry about the "Kevies", I thought I read it somewhere like that, I'll try to go back and change them.

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    My comments re: last nights unbeleivable jam are the following -- NO COMMENT !!!! Looking forward to monday Looking forward to hearing the tape of 10/1 Peace s.g.

    Date: 02 Oct 1996

    Comments

    I think we all have to take a serious look at whether this as an appropriate vehicle for us to continue posting in this manner. One might choose to think it's all tongue and cheek, but I'm not so sure. It certainly seems as if feelings were hurt and I don't like the prospect of seeing any more angry responses. I think we should all find a way to make the music be what we each want , but if we don't stop and perceive the group perspective, and all find a way to go there together, we will be hacking around forever.

    With Love & Respect

    LB :)

    thinks this was all tongue in cheek but I'm not so sure, It certainly seems as if feelings were hurt and once again I have toi completely agree with Larry G's response

    Date: 03 Oct 1996

    Comments

    Got a call from Jonathan today calling for a stop to this discussion stuff. While it may initially be overly critical, mean, viscious and worst-of-all, new, I think to run away from it is wrong. I think we should all have confidence in eachother to speak, write and communicate.

    Pulling discussions off of the web will only mask true problems that may be there. Sometimes, feelings may hurt and may seem wrong to expose but, when they are your feelings we might as well all know them. These discussions may seem mean but we are all relatively harsh to eachother anyway. I know Kevin and Menaker can take it, I probably can't say the same thing about Larry B., Scott or Johnny. I think I could probably take the worst of it myself.

    What I'm trying to say is that I want to keep the discussion alive and active. We will all be better for it in the long term and that is what we are playing for anyway. Ain't no few criticial words going to get in our way of playing good music. In the end they will help and I think they are currently doing so. I'm trying to sing better, Kevins trying to playing according to our likings, the drums are keeping a better beat and Larry, well he won't stick his neck out.

    We all are playing better with a little more presure to perform. It's good for us. Anyone can lazy their way through these simple songs we do, as we have done on many ocassion, but to turn each individual song into a Grateful Deadesque masterpiece is when the magic occurs.

    Keep up the chatter, try to be critical, honest but cordial. And Keep Deadstein Alive.

    Let me know your opinions on keeping up the discussions. I'll go with the flow. I vote keep them up and expand them and get your friends into them.

    LARRY G.

    Date: 05 Oct 1996

    Comments

    Listened to the Tape for a while the highlights were: Getaway, Let it Grow especially the transitions in the jam and the fnal jam with a spacey ending after the final comedown, Estimated Jam, Dancin. What was no good was the Don't Ease, Knocin'.

    Date: 06 Oct 1996

    Comments

    >>Sicilian Pie, well done. Half pepperoni, half sausage. While it was small, only eight slices, it was enough and it was sufficient. In addition, heroes were eaten and Gindoff even had large salad. Grape Snapple is still the "Flavor in favor." Desserts were simple pies, yankee doodles, devil dogs and some junk food (as if the other food is gourmet) including potato chips, totillas and M&M's.

    With all the information available on this site we were surprized to see the following omissions:

    Total cals. per set Cal. consumed/band member Cal. burned/band member Cal. consumed/note Cal. burned/note Fat(g)

    Rich R or Mike K.

    Date: 07 Oct 1996

    Comments

    Comment from the peanut gallery:

    Having played with all of you at one time or another, and also being fortunate enough to be able to perform live at least twice weekly, perhaps I might be able to add a comment about the developing situation I see here.

    Kev is correct: RnR is about KICKIN', LOUD, tearin' out the walls, and making the old folk run for the hills... BUT from a larger perspective music is about communication (no matter what the volume). If members of any ensemble feel they are not getting their input heard, then it is not music. It may be fun, but it is cacophonistic fun. If anything comes through what you guys are about it is this: You are all deeply dedicated to making the best MUSIC you collectively can. Cacophony does not playback well on tape. (Nor does the food eaten that nite :))

    It seems Larry M. has something weighing on him that he has not voiced very clearly until now. Perhaps he felt sonically cut off from the band because he is situated too close to the bass cabinet. It will never be music without ALL players included. Perhaps Kev feels that w/o the extra cabinet his bass is being swallowed up. It will never be music without ALL players included.

    Remember the tape does not lie!

    Also from the listeners point of view, a steady level of volume is dull, bland and boring no matter how incredible the performers are.

    Dyamics and communication are the key.

    An interesting experiment to try to improve communication is as follows: Each member of the band 'hooks-up' with another member forming linked partnerships of followers and leaders. As the jam of a particular song ensues the partnerships follow like a train. Before the onset of another tune, the partnerships are rearranged, reversed, or otherwise altered so that new avenues of listening are opened up.

    I'm sure most of you are reading this and saying "OK Katzman, tell me something I DON'T know".

    Sorry, about the simplicity of my comments, but I respect what you guys are trying to achieve, and thought, maybe an outside perspective might be beneficial. If not, then C'est La Muse!

    Hope to hear you all sometime soon.

    MK

    Date: 08 Oct 1996

    Comments

    I personnaly appreciate Katzman's comments. It is good to see and outside perspective even if it is from a keyboardist, just kidding, not really. I think we have achieved much of what we are looking for and it will only get better. God bless our newly found communication, musical and english and the result it will bring.

    Deadstein, we may now complain but there is so little to complain about. Most only wish they could experience once what we experience once a week.

    LONG LIVE DEADSTEIN!

    Larry G.

    Date: 12/8/2003

    Comments

    you are stuffed in the dead

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     Half Time Food:

    Sicilian Pie, well done. Half pepperoni, half sausage. While it was small, only eight slices, it was enough and it was sufficient. In addition, heroes were eaten and Gindoff even had large salad. Grape Snapple is still the "Flavor in favor." Desserts were simple pies, yankee doodles, devil dogs and some junk food (as if the other food is gourmet) including potato chips, totillas and M&M's.

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    Weather:

    Perfect. The weather in the room was very comfortable as early autumn provides just a few weeks of true comfort in the room.

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